Transcript 0:00 Cash now, more later from Opendoor gives you cash upfront for your home, plus all the profit later. That's no chaos now, no cash left behind later. Skip the showings now, pocket extra profit later. This is so simple now. 0:15 This is so awesome later. Or sell fast now and pop the champagne later. Cash now, more later. Now available nationwide. Start your offer at opendoor.com/acast. Profits calculated after fees and costs. 0:28 Eligibility and offer price may vary. [upbeat music] Hi, everyone. My name is Boye Kolade, co-founder and president of The Future Party. And I'm Chris Sawtell, CEO and co-founder of Crosscheck Studios. 0:46 And welcome to The Future Forecast, a podcast where we explore the intersection between business, technology, and entertainment. 0:54 We've done the research for you so you don't have to, and we're here to give our opinions about news topics and have a thoughtful discussion on the shifting landscape of our culture. 1:04 And we are gonna talk about a lot of fun things. I'm, I'm gonna open by telling you, uh, last night I went to, um, Peter Thiel. 1:19 He's been in Nashville, and he's been doing this- You went to Peter Thiel? [laughs] Uh- Was he performing? I went to an event of his. 1:26 Um, uh, he, he's been doing a series on the Antichrist over the last four weeks in Nashville. Wow. Uh- I've heard about this. Yeah. Not, not, not the Nashville, but I've heard that he does an, an Antichrist study. 1:42 Yeah, and, and it's like in this intense lecture, and it was actually pretty good. Um, and, uh, I actually don't even know how much I'm supposed to say, but I- Oh, really? It's... Yeah, we couldn't have our phones. 1:54 They had to, you know, like you'd be whisked out if you took a photo. But, um, I would- But that must be, that must be a protection of hi- of, of his, of his name and likeness and, and his image. Is that- Probably. 2:08 Probably. Um, I should probably have read the fine print, but so I won't say too much. 2:13 But what I will say is in it, one of the questions asked was about Elon's new flying car, and, uh, we're talking about it today, so it feels very pertinent, uh, to talk about, uh, the Roadster, which at this point- Hold up, hold on. 2:30 Yeah. Hold on. I gotta ask one thing. Yeah. I gotta... You, you can't say you went to Thiel's lecture- Okay... and he talks about the Antichrist- [laughs]... and say, "Oh yeah, it was great. I was there." 2:41 Like, like did you just join the Illuminati? Like- [laughs]... the way... 2:44 You know, I have to say, if you go to the, the, the wrong side of the internet, Thiel is seen to be like putting baby blood and all the things on his face and talking about the Antichrist and the way in which the media spins it, and now you are going. 2:59 So, uh, before we, and before we wrap that piece, again, humble brag, very cool that you got to see that. Mm-hmm. 3:06 Or very, very, very cool that you got to witness, uh, a titan of industry and someone who has done very well for themselves- Yeah... as well as helped push boundaries, uh, in the world. 3:18 Uh, that's cool and, and in hearing from them. But I am curious 'cause like if I may inquire and if- Yeah... even offline, but I am curious when covering or doing a lecture on the Antichrist- Yeah... 3:30 uh, can you expound or explain like are you able to expound on the why? Like, like why that specific topic do you think? 3:41 Um, yeah, I can expand from the POV of what I believe is just generally known about Peter, um, which he, you know, he's a very intelligent individual. 3:53 Like he, he's worth tens of billions of dollars, uh, but he's always been philosophical in nature and, uh, is big on Christianity and a conservative agenda- Got it... especially as of late. Understood. 4:10 Uh, and so, um, that I believe is where the roads meet of the interest in... You know, you know all these guys are a very like forward-thinking, futuristic, um, you know, many talk about 4:25 life beyond, living forever, are we in a simulation versus not. So I think this is- Right... his sort of, um, this, this is what I feel and believe about this s- particular part of Christianity. 4:39 Um, and I, I- You know what- Yeah... you know what's cool about that? Yeah. Um, if I may? Mm-hmm. It is, I used to think, 4:47 you think about S- uh, Socrates, Plato back in the day, you know, the ability to, the ability for one to be a philosopher- Yeah... and your job to philosophize, uh, I don't even know if that's a word- [laughs]... 5:01 to, to, to spread philosophy or to, to essentially make a name for yourself and a career out of thinking- Yep... a young man would think is a huge blessing. Mm-hmm. 5:16 A young man would think that that's how you make your mark. A young man would think and does think that that's cool and that's powerful and that's asserting yourself in the conversation- Mm-hmm... 5:30 and demanding to be heard. Mm. And I think as I get older, what's intriguing and pokes at my curiosity is the curse 5:45 that something like that can truly have on one. What, what would that negative be? Again, I'm not one to have a negative mindset. Okay. So I, I don't, I maybe, maybe the word curse is too... 5:58 The word curse is negative in nature by way of the idea of like a spell- Mm-hmm... being placed on, on, on you or- That something bad will happen Mm-hmm But, uh, perhaps the burden. I, I think having... 6:13 It, it's, it's having too much time- Yep... on your hands. Idle hands is the devil's play toy. Mm-hmm. And to imagine that someone like T- I, I'm, where I'm wrapping this around is someone like Elon Musk or Peter Thiel 6:32 or Mark Zuckerberg- Yep... when you make a certain amount of money and don't ha- and, and are no longer are required to make money- Mm-hmm... 6:47 to operate within the world, once you've essentially broken the matrix to some degree- Mm... overthinking can be a bitch. Well, I think I, I get that. What I think though is this is my opinion. 7:00 With these guys, because they're, they're not stopping. They're, they are both, they- they are both deep thinkers- Yeah... and huge economic providers. 7:11 I- there's something motivating them intrinsically, and I think it can be different for everyone else, but you look at Elon, um, the richest man in the world on the planet, and he's still working- Is he officially?... 7:23 and he's still innovating Is Elon officially the richest man? Yeah. He's the richest, he's the first trillionaire. I don't know if he's a trillionaire currently today, but you know what I mean. 7:30 So- Yeah, he, you get the mark and then, yeah. So, you know, even thinking about the Roadster, right? If you haven't seen the clips by now, there's been a couple. 7:39 Like, the two main ones are, one, his new Roadster, uh, basically flipping over a semi, and then the other going up a ramp upside down and flipping just sent the, sent the world into meme land. 7:57 And I forgot who said it, um, but whether it was said or not, you think about what he just did, and it's the innovation I feel like we haven't really seen since the iPhone, since, you know... 8:08 And, and look, will these be on the road and whatever? I don't know. But, like, he's pushing the limits constantly, you know, and he doesn't need to. What, you know what's crazy? Yep. Is Minority Report- Oh, yeah... 8:24 came out, what, 20 years ago? 15 yea- 20 years ago? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Max, do you mind looking up Minority Report? If, for, for those that, that have been living, living under a rock. I, 2002. I got it. Don't look. 8:36 Thank you. 2002. Don't look through all of Spielberg's- [laughs]... uh, catalog. The old, the o- the old Minority Report, a movie that, uh, the de- uh, detectives or p- or police officers had a 8:54 system where they would receive a report of future or would-be crimes 9:01 that would be committed, and then more, the minority report was to establish, uh, what those crimes were by way of three, two twins and one third party telepaths or futurists who essentially forecasted 9:19 what those would be, and the police would go collect those people before- Mm-hmm... they committed the crimes. Yep. It's very AI. Very. Very. 9:29 Anyway, I was mentioning Mi- Minority Report, and where I was going with that is the cars in Minority Report are, one, they have, they're automatic or, uh, not animatronic. 9:39 What, what is it when you, uh, they're- Autonomous... you have... They're autonomous. Yep. So they're all autonomous, and they're also climbing up walls. 9:46 Like, there, there's a whole scene where Tom Cruise is jumping from one to the other to the other, very much like, like, uh, Elon's suction cup car. Yeah. 9:55 And then what's also crazy to that is to think that, like, though the, there's these telepaths, but AI will just be forecasting whether or not people are committing crimes or murders and such- Yep... by way of, yeah. 10:08 Yeah. Wow. Sorry, I didn't mean to get dark and deep. No. I mean, yeah. 10:11 At, at the end of the day, I think, um, it's why this could be a whole nother topic, but just this idea of art predicting and inspiring, um, the innovation we see, um- Yeah... 10:25 because a lot of these guys are often referencing, you know, uh, art, Tolkien, uh, Asimov, right? Um, so on and so forth. 10:36 And so, um, we've been dreaming about flying cars for a while, and, like, it's not technically flying, but v- it's the closest thing we've seen to, to this happening, and- It's not flying. It's falling. 10:53 [laughs] It's style. And there you go. 10:56 Um, but I think the fundamental question at the end of the day is will this become street legal, and if so, what this is going to mean for the automotive industry and for city infrastructure. 11:09 Is what specifically going to become street legal? The suction ability to, like, ride up a wall? Yeah, yeah. 11:18 I mean, look, I, uh, someone was telling me, I don't know if this is official, but, but when he, they said it, um, this is Francis, actually one of my co-founders. 11:26 Uh, it made sense that the same technology is what they use for the rockets. What he uses for when the rockets self-land- Right... is- The propul- you're, you're talking about the propulsion- The propulsion... 11:36 the air, the air propulsion when you're navigating. Exactly. Like course correction, right? Exactly. Uh, you know, and that's essentially what we saw, right? It's the air a- Right... 11:46 lining things up, making sure you don't fall hard, et cetera, et cetera. Um- Also used in space when they're actually in outer space to propel- There you go. Uh, yeah... for docking and navigating. Yeah. 12:00 Part of me, I was looking at that, I'm like, "This could be, like, an amazing safety mechanism," right? Like, you drive off a cliff, which happens more than people might think. Um- Did that happen to you the other day? 12:12 [laughs] No. I'm act- that was actually just, uh, that was me, uh- In your mind... saying something confidently that I actually have no clue about. Yeah. 12:19 [laughs] Um, but, but I'm just thinking of a use case like that, right? Like, you, you could do that and be relatively fine. Right. Um, you know, uh, but I could also see, you know, criminals leveraging it for wrong. 12:37 Um, but I could s- but again, I could see a good safety precaution, too. Um, and I could also see it in the next Fast and Furious movie. Um, [laughs] Yeah. I don't know if I see it right now. 12:49 I think I, I think the suction, the suction me- m- um, uh, the suction... I, I, I could see us driving up walls way, way, way before I ever see, like, the air propulsion being street legal. Mm. But they're kinda both. 13:07 Isn't, isn't the air suction what keeps you on the wall? Correct. But air propulsion is... I guess what I'm saying is there's too much room for human error. Mm-hmm. And so 13:18 the climbing up of a wall is, to me, there's an argument to be made that it's a button no different than, like, going to four by four. Mm-hmm. Or, like, turning on your, like, four-wheel drive. Mm-hmm. Yeah. You know? 13:34 I mean, it's probably likely to be used for stunts, cinema, um, maybe even before it w- it could ever be street legal. Maybe it's given to 13:47 the, you know, civ- the government infrastructure, right? Like police. Um, maybe they get, maybe they actually get something like this. You know what I mean? Um- Mm-hmm. Oh my God. Wow. But think about it, right? 14:02 Like, it might give them the advantage when sort of enacting law and justice, you know? And safety. Like, that, that I could... So I could see something, a technology like this being used in that sense. 14:18 We are not funded by the police- Mm... or the government or anything of that sort. Poya's words and ideas are all of his own. Please be mindful of that. 14:25 [laughs] I just loved y- your s- your sentence, "This could be perfect for the police. This could be for them as they exact their, as they exact and enforce law and justice." Those were my words. [laughs] Um, okay. 14:40 Most important question, does this make you interested? Would you ever get a car like this? Would you ever wanna use this? 14:49 I wouldn't wanna use it, but I think it's super cool, and it's just really smart brand, like, brand, like... That's just a stunt. Seeing that makes me go, "Wow, Tesla's cool. Tesla's innovative. Oh my God." Yeah. 15:02 I don't, like, wanna get a car, like, like that doesn't make me go, "Oh, man, I want a car that can do flips and shit." Like, like, no. Yeah. Like, like, I, I d- I'm never gonna be us- um, that's never gonna be capable. 15:11 I'm not an idiot. Uh, not to say I'm not an idiot, but, like, that doesn't, like- Yeah... that's like saying I wanna be able to go u- 200 miles an hour on a, uh, on a roadway. 15:21 And it's like, no, the only way you're gonna do that is if you go to a road r- a road, a, a race- racetrack. Mm-hmm. 15:29 And I mean, you could technically, I guess, go do it on a, find a street to do it, but you're gonna get in trouble most likely, or hurt yourself or get injured and, like... So- Yeah... yeah. Yeah. 15:39 But I think that as, as h- as mankind or humankind accomplishing something like this, I think it's a very cool feat, and I very deeply appreciate it. And it only makes me support, or it makes me like Tesla more. Yeah. 15:56 I love it. [instrumental music] Business is booming. Is your fulfillment ready for peak season? Switch to ShipStation now and handle more volume with confidence when it counts. 16:08 ShipStation connects Shopify, Amazon, TikTok Shop, and over 200 more integrations with one platform that does it all. You can manage orders, sync inventory, track returns, all automatically. 16:18 Everything your operation needs, all in one place. Right now, qualified shippers get a real dedicated person to get you set up and switched over for free, so when peak season hits, you're ready to go. 16:28 Switch today at shipstation.com, code AUDIO. [instrumental music] Let's, uh, leave Elon in the dust and talk about our next, uh, conversation, which is more in the creator and content space. 16:42 So, uh, a couple things have been happening. The latest update, S- Sony's Screen Gems, uh, just brought on, uh, a big YouTube executive, um, uh, Fede Goldenberg. Um, he's now, uh, the head of Screen Gems. 17:00 Um, and, uh, also simultaneously, Disney, um, is, uh, doing a deal with Dude Perfect across film, sports, products, and parks. Um, you- I saw that. Yeah. 17:13 Um, you have your deal with, with Fox, and so we're starting to see more creators actually do the dang thing. So, um, you know- Wait, wait, wait. Yeah. Wait. Yeah. 17:24 Did Chris Sawtelle have a hot take about studios leveraging their sales units for creators, and was Disney one of those names? Damn. [laughs] Damn. We'll have to, we'll have to go to the archives. Um- Yeah... 17:39 but, um, yeah, I think, I, look, I think this is really, really interesting news. So diving in on the Sony side, um- You know, uh, the idea of having a YouTube veteran, right, run a film studio says a lot, right? Yeah. 17:57 Especially when you think about what, you know, what even Netflix is doing, right, with, um, the, the YouTube windows and, um, that we've, we've talked about. 18:08 Um, uh, Fede, I, I believe that's how you pronounce his name, um, he has managed relationships with Maker Studios and Fullscreen. Um, so he's, he's really sort of been, uh, around the block. 18:23 And, you know, Screen Gems is the genre label for, for Sony. Um, they did Insidi- Insidious, and so they're going after it. 18:32 And I think they're probably gonna do the same playbook that, um, Jason Blum, uh, and James Wan are doing with, uh, with Blumhouse Atomic, if that makes sense, where they're basically finding genre horror YouTubers and having them direct things. 18:48 So I think that's really interesting. Disney, on the other hand, um, they're really going after it. So they just did, um, a huge summit. 18:58 Um, I don't know if you're familiar who you are with the summit, uh, I'd, I'd love your thoughts on it, where they had tons of creators meet with the Disney heads and, um, the CMO- Zach King? 19:08 Are you talking about the one that John... God, what, what is that guy's last name? I'm blanking on it. Yeah, uh, Yesha or something like that. Yeah. Um, uh, yes. I, I'll botch it and I feel bad, but, but everyone... 19:19 Yeah. Yes. That, that one. Um, and, uh, yeah, I think Zach King was there maybe. If you lose his name, I apologize. 19:27 The, the CMO of Disney, Asad Iyaz, um, you know, he seems to be the one leading the creator charge at Disney. And I haven't heard anything official like Fox. 19:41 Um, but, uh, this, this is again, a sign of the times, you know. Um- Word on the, word on the street there is they're, they're, at least right now, they're, they're, it's a slow but steady race. 19:55 Is a, um, their rollout there is slow and steady around licensing. Mm. So I don't know what the Dude Perfect deal is. 20:05 Uh, I imagine that given that Dude Perfect is now owned by, I mean, given that they sold to third parties, uh- Or they took on, they took on a lot of capital, um- Yeah, but, but isn't it private equity? 20:18 Who, who is, who's involved there? I mean, or, uh, it was pre- I know CAA did the deal, I think... CAA building their, it was pre-CAA doing their, um- Mm-hmm... their fund. 20:28 I have to, there, there's a lot of big power players, I guess what I'm trying to say, in media- Mm-hmm... surrounding Dude Perfect. Mm-hmm. And I'm sure that that deal amounts to something s- much more. Mm-hmm. 20:41 But Disney is known to be doing, having conversations around talent, specifically talent with YouTube channels' back catalog- Mm-hmm... and licensing that content and finding ways to exploit said content. 20:55 Dude Perfect being very family-friendly, family-oriented- Yeah... uh, uh, is a perfect collaboration. I mean, it makes so much sense- Yeah... that they would work together. 21:07 So, so the details don't seem to be that widely reported, but what I'm- Mm... 21:13 seeing here is that, um, Disney is framing this as a company-wide creative partnership which will span entertainment, sports, consumer products and experiences. Yeah. Um, so yeah, I mean, look, I, I think 21:28 when you think about it, it feels very Disney. Like, in retrospect, it's like a, that's actually an amazingly smart move for them. 21:36 Um, but to your point, it's like, it's a platform with existing IP, and even if they create new, um, new IP, it's, it's with Dude Perfect at the, at the core in the center. 21:48 But the fact that they could play in, in, in ESPN and Disney proper, I think is really interesting. We gotta talk about what just happened recently. Um- What just happened recently? 22:01 We were talking about Dude Perfect, but now we have to talk about women. And, uh, the, uh, they [laughs]- Hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on. Let me, let me help you with these segues, boy. 22:11 [laughs] I know we were talking about Dudes being perfect, but at the end of the day, the only way in which a man can be perfect, or a dude for that matter, is to have their better half around at all times. 22:25 You said it well. [laughs] And if I may, something, if we're talking about the better half, Victoria's Secret, Victoria's Secret was that she had a fricking show this past weekend on Sunday, and it was spellbounding. 22:41 Did you go? I did go. I did go. Nice. I'm a two-timer. Okay. If I may. Yeah. Uh, it's the Super Bowl of, uh- How'd it go? It was great. Uh, it was great. Yeah. I know, uh, it trended very heavily. 22:57 I would say that every... It was very cool. Uh, what, what a line, what, what, what a description. It was very cool. Seeing what they did this year- Yeah... 23:06 versus last, it, it is unfair for me to say night and day- Mm-hmm... but it is night and day. Yeah. Headline, guys, we're talking about Victoria's Secret. We're talking about them coming back. 23:18 We have to remind ourselves that Victoria's Secret, the, the, the brand was at the pinnacle of what it means to be a, I guess, the, the embodiment of- Sexiness... 23:29 aspirational sexiness or, or, or, or female goals, uh, for a time. But, you know, got canceled, uh, or, or got kind of put in a box to say, "Hey, goodbye, we don't need this for right now. 23:42 Uh, we don't appreciate what you're doing to society." And fairly recently came back. 23:48 Uh, it's been back now- The headline was they only had, to put it in perspective last year, they had w- ah, one act performing this year they had 24:00 Tate McRae, Kat Cey, and Meg Thee Stallion all performing across the entire show. That's awesome. Which is hu- I mean, especially Tate McRae, and Meg Thee Stallion, and Kat Cey all three having huge moments- Mm-hmm... 24:17 in terms of, like, their press cycle, like, push. That's huge. Now again, like, the case in point, and I, I don't mean to, uh, belittle. 24:25 It is a safe reminder, last year's performers were Missy Elliott, Karol G, uh, Madison Beer, and Twice. Also big. And I do not mean to take away from any of those names, and it was on Amazon Prime again- Yeah... 24:38 live- it was live-streamed. But I, I... 24:40 And I don't mean to take away from those performers, but to me to see that this year was Tate McRae, again, I'll say it, Tate McRae, m- uh, uh, Meg Thee Stallion, and Kat Cey, that's... 24:53 There was one more performer and I'm blanking on her name, and I feel- Megan Moroney... Megan Moroney. I mean, those are huge names- They are... that, that are in this moment, like, in the zeitgeist- Yeah... 25:04 above all else. And not to mention, spoiler alert, if you were not there or didn't watch it, didn't see any of the clips, uh, you know who finished the show? Who? Miss Kendall... Uh, uh, Miss Kylie Jenner. 25:17 Oh, I heard about this- Kendall or Kylie... with some, like- Yeah... $50 million bra or something like that. Some... You know, it was Kylie. And Kyl- yeah, Kylie ended it with a, wearing the infamous $50 million bra. 25:28 Wow. So- Kimberly was there. I mean, it was a star-studded- Yeah... event. I've seen Nicole Kidman, too. Mm-hmm. 25:36 Um- Like, like that really to me, to me anyway, that's really showcasing that Adam Selman, who's the chief creative officer who came, uh, who's, who's, who's now come on. 25:48 I mean, this is Victoria's Secret, mic, you know, dropping the mic and saying, "We are here. We are proud, and we are going to make this a event and a staple. 25:57 We're, uh, we are solidifying our brand back to, uh, you know, building a, a, a next, next wave or next generation- Yeah... of a, a female, female, a lifestyle brand." So I am seeing, uh, this interesting excerpt. 26:15 They're calling it- Mm... the, or, or w- we're calling it the Brazil Beat. Seven Brazilians walked, including your client, Gaby Mora. That's correct. Gabriela Mora. Uh, congrats to you and her. 26:31 Um- This is her second year. So, A, I'd be... I have two questions. Yes. One, how was the experience for her being an influencer being thrown into this, uh, ecosystem? 26:43 Two, and I think we can't talk about Victoria's Secret without talking about what this means in a way, right? So this show wasn't around for some time. Mm-hmm. 26:55 And part of it is w- has been the sort of cultural look at body positivity and, um, you know, what it means to be a woman, sexy, even a man, right? 27:09 Like, it's, it's, i- i- there was some nuance too where- Yes... for a moment you had Savage Fenty even actually competing against Victoria's Secret for sort of, um, the who is the winner of undergarments, right? Right. 27:26 Um, with, you know, leveraging, I don't know if that's the right word, but showcasing rather, um, different body types, different types of people, and it f- you know, uh, power to Victoria's Secret, it seems like there still might be some room potential there. 27:42 And also maybe that's, they don't wanna do that. I don't know. I'm curious from your, your POV. I, I, I- Yeah... think there's things that we need to remi- uh, you know, it got a lot of backlash. 27:51 There was a time, you know, uh, somehow... You know, you know how the internet works. Yep. 27:55 If some- i- if it can take a couple trolls to start, it can c- whether it's trolls or great voices starting a, wanting to, like, build a narrative or make sure that they enforce a conversation or have a conversation, if you get enough people on board to talk about it, it can ignite like wildfire and really be a robust conversation overnight that cannot be put back in a box. 28:20 Uh, I would say at, you know, when it, when it was previously not in vogue to participate in VS, uh, because people were more aware of being... 28:32 Uh, we were, we were becoming more aware of properly being inclusive of all bodies. Mm-hmm. 28:39 As well as it didn't help that Victoria's Secret was founded, uh, or, or built in the eye of a man or a man had, had, had made it. I think that that, that was part of the narrative, if I'm not mistaken. Mm-hmm. But, 28:51 you know, something that I think, what I would say that V- VS is doing a phenomenal job of, at least just from an outsider's perspective, we have to remind, like, these past two shows, last year they made sure that they, they really wanted to highlight a sport. 29:07 They, they... I've found that their, their system tends to be they always go after highlighting a key sports athlete. 29:15 Last year, Angel Reese walked, the embodiment of where VS sees where they wanna go or who they wanna support- Yeah... and, and, and, and capture. This, this past, this year was Trinity. 29:26 It, it, so the, so it's, I don't wanna say it's like checking a box- Mm... but it's ensuring, okay, who are our people that we can have walk and participate? 29:33 And they do have these people participate specifically in the Pink Half Time Show. 29:38 So for those that have not watched the show or are not as familiar, like the Super Bowl, Victoria's Secret, what they do is they have, you know, they, they... The idea of this show is to... 29:50 It, it's, it is performance art. 29:51 It is saying, "Hey, look at- We are going to spend money to craft some of the coolest collections of lingerie and, you know, just fashion garments of- for a certain type of person or a certain type of lady, and we want you to be able to see it, love it, and, and buy into it should you like that, that ethos. 30:15 And then the Pink halftime show is... And that's, that's, you know, the, the show is woman, the halftime show is, I would say, girl. You know, Gigi Hadid- Mm... as a model started as a Pink Girl. 30:31 So Pink really is, it's cute. It's a mall brand. It's a brand that is made for an individual, uh, that is, you know, I would- they, they're targeting a audience of 13 to 25. Mm-hmm. 30:44 They, you know, it's aspirational, it's cute, a- and at least, like, that- that's, you know, the, that's what they embody, at least I find as an outside looking in. 30:55 A- and that, and that halftime show is kind of a bounce board. You could walk the Pink show, and over time, like Gigi, make your way to becoming a full-time VS model- Mm-hmm... 31:06 as you, as you, uh, grow up, and that's what Gigi did. Mm-hmm. That doesn't always happen. 31:11 There was some backlash, or there always is, there's always haters, around influencers or what people are calling influencers or creators participating in the Victoria's Secret show and taking jobs away from models. 31:25 Yeah. And I think that's harsh. I don't think that's... You know, I think the reality is is that the world that we're moving in, there is a very blurry line between actor, creator, model, influencer, et cetera. 31:38 Like, you can't have your cake and eat it too. Yeah. Some people zig where others zag. 31:42 Some people focus on, some folk- people, they're th- it- to me, we're in this era of it's like if a theater actor wanted to poo-poo a film actor when film wasn't a thing yet. 31:54 It's like, "Oh, you're gonna go record yourself and try to be famous. I'm the cool theater actor." Well, it's like they just focused on a different art form to help propel them and innovate, and- Yeah... 32:07 you know what I mean? Like, like, that's probably the best way I could equivocate. Mm-hmm. Um, people listening will be like, "That's not real art. What are you talking about?" But it's a, it is, guys. 32:15 It's, it's, it's in, it's influence. And- Yeah... and what we need to understand as it pertains to art is that it's all in the eye of the beholder. So yeah, it was a great show. Uh, TLDR. 32:26 So my one thought is w- like, how much will this move sales and translate, you know, their great moment into the bottom line, you know? And- Yeah... 32:39 I, again, I, I just think, I do think the thing that they should continue to think about is the, what it says ab- like, the tie-in with so- so- with s- to the society of image and likeness. Mm-hmm. 32:53 The, the one thing I'm thinking about right now is even just, like, Abercrombie & Fitch. Like, I remember when I was younger and, uh, walking through the mall, and they were, they were so representative of the 33:09 half-naked model, like, huge images, et cetera. And I don't know, now they, I feel like they've done away with that. They seem to be doing well. Um, so again, I think awesome for Victoria's Secret. 33:24 I, I'm curious to see how it affects their business in the future. All right. Fingers crossed it does well, I gu- I mean, a- as some, you know, as, uh, maybe Gabby will make it to three times- [laughs]... 33:34 and I'll tell you, uh, you know, th- they're doing, uh, above and beyond, up and up and up. Up and up and up. All right. Great jammin' today. Uh, we will catch you next week. 33:45 You can find us wherever you get podcasts, uh, YouTube, TikTok, IG, all the things. Uh, we'll see you soon. Over and out. Peace. Peace. [gentle music] Still waiting in line, again? 34:03 That's time you will never get back. Save time and money with stamps.com. Over four million businesses have skipped the line with stamps.com. 34:11 Join them to save up to 90% off carrier rates from your computer or phone right now. 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