Transcript 0:00 Hey, we're Nick and Jack, hosts of The Best One Yet. Behind every episode, there's research, emails, spreadsheets, and our shared Google Doc, the Headline Hammer. 0:07 With Google Workspace with Gemini, Google's AI is built right into the premium versions of tools we already use, like Gmail, Docs, and Sheets. No new tools or extra log-ins, just personalized AI for the way we work. 0:18 That means less time on the work around the work, and more time finding the stories worth talking about. Get AI tools for work. Upgrade to Google Workspace with Gemini at goo.gle/workspacewithgemini. 0:30 That's goo.gle/workspacewithgemini. Wheelhouse DNA. Hi, everyone. My name is Bolade Kolade. And I'm Chris Sawtelle. 0:45 And welcome to the Future Forecast, a podcast where we explore the intersection between business, technology, and entertainment. 0:51 If you don't know me, I'm the co-founder and president of The Future Party, which is a community-based media company for creative professionals. 0:57 We have a daily newsletter where we talk about culture and technology, and we host a ton of different events around the country. 1:03 And I'm the co-founder and CEO of Crosscheck Studios here in Los Angeles, a Gen Z media company. 1:08 At The Future Party, we are so proud of the business and the community we've built, so we had the idea to create this show to dissect and explain some of our most interesting stories. Today, we're looking ahead. 1:18 We're gonna talk about how fashion predicts societal trends, how the video game movie is gonna usurp the superhero movie, and how The New York Times is suing Microsoft and OpenAI. But first, let's catch up. 1:31 Let's catch up. It's 2024, Bolade. It is 2024. Well, you know what it also was? What was it? It was your birthday. [laughs] And you know what we got? You know what we got? What? Oh, no. 1:43 [laughs] We, we ended up getting birthday donuts. I didn't see you sneak this in. You know, I'm not gonna sing Happy Birthday to you because I don't know if it's copywritten. Oh. Wow. 1:52 [laughs] But, or, and also my voice is just not, you know? Amazing. But, but I figured before you give me your ins and your outs, your, your, your New Year's resolutions of the diets- [laughs]... 2:03 and the two liters of water you're gonna drink and all that- Oh, yeah... why don't I start off and sabotage you with not only one, not two, but seven donuts. [laughs] All, all available for you to choose from. Oh, man. 2:18 All right. So let's talk about our ins and outs. So this is, like, a trend that's been going on, right, in the social media sphere. Yeah. 2:25 Was seeing a lot of it on Instagram, you know, it'd tell you what your ins and your outs were. Like, "2023, going out are the days of drinking two liters," and- Yeah. [laughs]... 2:33 and making jokes about what old affirmations or New Year's resolutions were- Yeah... the things that they were doing. And the ins were like, "This is the new cool trending thing that I'm going to do." 2:42 What are your ins and out? I'm going out with doing too much. Mm. Over-committing is the better term. Oh, yeah. Out with over-committing or saying yes. In with m- time management 2:57 and precise impact decisions or impact with my time. I like that. I like that. That's really good. Okay, so an in for me is going to bed early and waking up early. Yeah. 3:09 I've generally been an early person, but I haven't quite nailed the going to bed early part. Have you specified the time? Right now, early for me is 10:00, 10:30. And- Are you gonna commit to one time? 3:23 Um, somewhere in that range. I think a range is better for me. Okay. Uh, and- Respect... and then wake up would be 5:00, 5:30. Out, 3:33 uh, so this is actually funny 'cause my friend, his name's Maurice, he posted, uh, one of his outs which I really [laughs] kinda resonate with, is the, the need to view every IG Reel sent to you. 3:47 [laughs] And I like, I was like- That's funny... I, I might need to go to therapy for that one. 3:53 'Cause like even if I don't watch them right away, I feel like two months later I have to, like, go through and just, like, out of respect- Respond. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. [laughs] All right. Well, let's dive into it. 4:05 Uh, first topic of discussion is curated chaos. So what is curated chaos? Uh, Chloe MacDonald from The Guardian has described the aesthetic of 2024 as curated chaos. 4:19 Now, this is an interesting lens through which we can look at the direction of the world moving at large. 4:23 Basically, and I'm paraphrasing, it's the idea that people are able to curate themselves, their fashion, their Instagram feeds in a way that's discombobulated. It's not polished, it's chaotic, for lack of better words. 4:40 And fashion, I think, is actually the big, like, focal point, which fashion actually oftentimes is something that pushes culture, that pushes style. 4:51 And so, you know, it's the way in which we present ourselves, so it makes sense that fashion trends can speak and predict how our society might look. So some examples of what, uh, Chloe's specifically talking about. 5:02 Uh, the Miu Miu fashion show had models walk the catwalk with unzipped, overflowing bags. Kim Kardashian was on the cover of GQ as the Man of the Year with a bag of Cheetos. 5:12 Uh, the Instagram aesthetic has become a lot more messy. Blurry photos are taking over. Um, the, the bed rotting trend that was all over social media this summer, so on and so forth. So 5:24 experts, quote-unquote, are saying this trend a- aesthetic is in response to the overly curated perfectionism that held our visual attention in previous years, but now it's curated chaos. 5:34 It kills me, I can't get over this, and I know I'm gonna go back three topics. Why did no one talk more about Kim Kardashian being the Man of the Year? 5:42 You know that the whole reason that that even happened was it was all just a ploy for her to talk about Skims- Yeah... starting out men's line. Skims Men, yeah, yeah. I mean, it was interest- Respect. 5:50 I mean, like, power play. Yeah. Respect. I would do the same. I mean, it was an interesting play- Yeah... I think. But, um, I do think it does represent this idea of chaos. 6:00 The fact that as a woman she was on the cover- And that she was dressed as a man, and that she was eating Cheetos of all things and... But I, I, I don't know that 2024 is the year. 6:12 I feel like we've kinda seen curated chaos in different pockets of the internet. Balenciaga was doing the catwalks with Cheeto bags and trash bags just- Yeah, yeah... two years ago. 6:23 You and Ashley had quite the outfit for Halloween, if I recall. Yeah. We did. I loved it. It was actually m- I think maybe my top favorite. One of the best outfits I actually think I've ever seen. Yeah. Thank you. 6:33 I'll take it. This was 2022. Balenciaga was cool. Uh, basically we dressed up in all black. Ashley dressed up as a trash bag, and I dressed up in all black and had, like, my Lay's ba- [laughs]... my Lay's chips bag. 6:47 And, or she might have had the Lay's chips bag and I had a trash bag. But basically- You had the trash bag. I recall this outfit very well- [laughs]... I might just say. But the point is, to me this isn't really new. 6:58 This is just kinda like it's been happening. Yeah. I, I, but I completely agree with you. Yeah. 7:02 I, is it fair to say maybe the writer was meaning to say or perhaps the takeaway is fashion is really pushing the agenda of less structure and less refinement and celebrating messiness, so to speak? 7:18 Well, I do think there is some truth there. When you think about the dawn of Instagram, it was very polished, right? It, like, people... 7:25 Remember when you would, like, make your whole, like, feed, like, a whole collage that, like, told a bigger- Yeah... story and, and whatnot? I still feel like that's the case though. 7:34 I feel like r- Instagram, that, that part I think I, I also agree with you, very much disagree with. I feel like Instagram is the new aged version of resume. Yeah. I agree. 7:43 I do think some people choose to have that resume be chill, right? Like, even there's, like, really big meme brands that curate fashion. Yeah, that's a good point. 7:52 You know, like Throwing Fits and Hidden NY, and these are huge. And I think they exemplify curated chaos. But I still do think there's a lot in the polish, but I think the chaos also comes from, from TikTok, right? 8:07 It's just the style in which we talk. Like, if you post something polished on TikTok, it doesn't go as far as just- Yeah... a talking head, raw, you know, emotional, straightforward. But I find, I have a... 8:19 TikTok I'm much more willing, there's much more of a discoverability. In a way, the f- i- the feed, your fif- the feed is chaos in itself, right? It's controlled chaos 'cause I'm just scrolling, scrolling, scrolling. 8:31 Yeah. Instagram I think that I actually actively go to p- channels to want to view and look, and I want a little bit more of a curated, published feel and vibe. I notice that when I... 8:43 Well, so you mentioned meme accounts. Yeah. Like, I, I'll notice that when I see some accounts that are not polished, I actually don't like it. Mm. 8:51 Maybe that's just me, but I feel like I'm coming to you because you are a w- known brand or you've developed enough of a brand for yourself- Yeah... that, like, I'm less inclined to click on reels or on 9:03 photos when I'm n- when my eye's not drawn to it or I don't know, I don't have a preconceived notion about what I'm going to click on. 9:11 When I think of the behavior, I kinda see both, and I think that's kinda where I go back to, like, is this really going to be a trend? And I also, I look at streetwear. 9:21 Streetwear to me has been curated chaos for the last decade, right? You know? Yeah, that's a good point. It's like, this, these gritty kids creating fashion, and a streetwear is now pop culture. And so I don't know. 9:33 It, it, I think it's really interesting. 9:35 But, you know, one of the thoughts behind curated chaos, this idea that Gen Z, um, being described as n- nihilistic as a response to living through, you know, global issues and the b- bombardment of content that they're exposed to every day. 9:50 And so maybe curated chaos is reinforced by the idea that Gen Z is cognitively, quote, unquote, "burdened," and so this is sort of, like, the way of the world moving forward. Yeah. I think it's just a phase. 10:05 I mean, we all move in cycles, right? Yeah. So it'll be suited and booted. Yeah. Yeah. It's so funny you say that. I was actually thinking that. History's cyclical. Like, 10:15 2025, the, it's the, the year of polished curation. [laughs] Yeah. Yeah. You know what I mean? Yeah. I personally don't think this is gonna be anything. I think this is just, like, a, a moment in time. 10:28 You know, one thing that I think about with, 10:32 um, the messiness, I think about BeReal, and I, I mention BeReal 'cause I know it's not as popular as it was several months ago, uh, but it represented I think the epitome of sort of curated chaos, right? 10:46 You have one minute to post your things, and, um, pe- a lot of people still use it, but I think what it sort of beckons to is this idea of simplicity, right? We're talking about being over-committed- Mm... 10:59 everything happening in our lives and in our worlds, and I think we might have the sort of curated chaos evolve. 11:08 And even if we go back to a polished sort of nature, I think the underlying theme will be, like, simplicity. You know, this idea of if 2024 is the year of curated chaos, you know, 2025 will be simple authenticity. 11:24 Anyways, on to the next topic. So as many of us know, 2023 was not a great year for superhero movies. And so there's an idea bubbling that video game franchises are greater than superhero franchises. 11:42 And Wired is predicting that as superhero fatigue increases, there will be an influx of video game movies as a replacement. 11:51 Uh, and s- to me, it's just hilariously ironic because several years ago, uh, people were like, "Video game franchises, movies, they suck so much." You know? Th- it's been, like, a really crazy history of them. 12:04 But recently they've been doing really well, right? Uh, the Super Mario Bros. Movie did fantastically well, and The Last of Us On HBO, or Max, but I still kinda wanna call it HBO, crushed it. 12:18 Five Nights at Freddy's also did very well. Was that a video game? That was, that was... Oh, yeah. Oh. Well, anyway, so I, I, I mean, I'd be curious for your thoughts, right? This idea that, um, 12:28 last year we saw a lot of superhero movies underperform, you know, including The Flash, Shazam: Fut- Fear of the Gods, Blue Beetle, Ant-Man and the Wasp, The Marvels. 12:38 And this is, like, a, an interesting departure from the heyday of, of Marvel and the Avengers movies and Disney a- acquiring them, and even Iger actually has talked about how he, um, has admitted there's an oversaturation of Marvel projects. 12:55 To that end, Disney has had no billion-dollar releases in 2023 compared to the eight they had in 2020 during the pandemic. I would... Here's my, here's my feeling. 13:05 All these buzzwords that they use, I don't know how you feel, I'm curious to get your thoughts on this as well. Super- superhero fatigue, people have been using that phrase for many years, ever since the start of... 13:17 I mean, at first it was starting when Spider-Man the first round happened. Superhero fatigue, guys, they've been making superhero movies since Christopher Reeves in the, you know, the '80s or whatever it is. 13:30 They've been rehashing Superman since the '50s. Like, let's, let's get over this. People are still paying to go see the movies. It's not a thing. 13:37 What is a thing i- it just feels like a, it feels like a really bad excuse or a really bad notion of superhero fatigue to try to identify why these movies are not doing well. And when you mention The Flash, 13:51 Shazam I actually thought was, uh, Fury of the Gods was fine. The first one was so great. Yeah. Blue Beetle, Ant- Ant-Man and the Wasp, The Marvels, like, 14:01 no disrespect to any of the creatives, the fantastic creatives that made these projects, but realistically speaking, like, I'm sorry, did anyone watch The Flash? Did anyone see that movie? Because I'm sorry, that was... 14:16 Outside of seeing a- an AI version of Nick Cage fighting a spider, uh, uh, no. Like, I don't need to see Ezra Miller, uh, lose his mind both off-screen and on-screen because I think we all knew about that. 14:30 It was already a PR nightmare. It was not a good movie. It was so distastefully done for The Flash. I am so... I, I, I just- Can I just say, though, the trailer I thought looked awesome. Oh, agreed. Yeah. 14:44 I was so excited for The Flash to be a movie. To n- I, by the way, I, I do not mean a non-sequitur here, but as someone that used to work for Michael Keaton, 14:56 I, I, I, yeah, not in a humblebrag, I d- really don't mean to throw that out there- [laughs]... but I'm gonna throw that out there. So 15:01 I'm just gonna s- I'll, I'll be very quick with this, but for the longest time when we were working with Michael, uh, shout out Doug Wald, my former boss and former manager of Michael Keaton. 15:11 I wrote out, I have a, he emailed this to me as, uh, when they announced that Michael Keaton was becoming Batman again. 15:18 I had, I had sent a full pitch to him, this is back in 2013, where I basically had pitched that they should manufacture bringing Batman Beyond back, and I said, "What you should do is you should have Michael Keaton r-," uh, "We should pitch to him a DC movie of bringing Batman back as an old man, and seeing how that works and crea- and really focus on Batman Beyond." 15:44 Obviously, 10 years later, this all happens. 15:46 He saved the email and he sent it to m- Doug forwarded it to me 'cause he, anyway, he was like, "Oh, wait, future party, guys, just saying, Chris Sawtelle- That's a hot take right there... is a futurist." 15:57 [laughs] "I will send you the email." I, I've literally, like, it's like one of my- That's a decade-old hot take. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah, and it came to life. 16:02 But, like, Michael Keaton being a part of that franchise, it was gonna be such a phenomenal pro- like, it is a phenomenal story. They failed the fandom by way of how they brought it to life. Do you feel that 16:16 superhero movies are a trend? Like, will it go the way of the Western, where it's just like a flash in the pan? So regardless of the excuses- Yeah... something is, is wrong, right? Right. 16:29 Where they're not making the money they wish that they would have. So how, how would we identify the problem? Is this just a moment? Did they do something wrong with distribution? Is it the economy? 16:40 I think it's a amalgamation of all three or four of those things that you mentioned. Mm-hmm. I mean, Blue Beetle, for example, Angel is a phenomenal director. 16:49 Uh, shout out, uh, Angel, who directed Blue Beetle, a dear friend of ours. 16:53 If, if you hadn't seen his movie that it came out on Sundance, he is someone, a Puerto Rican filmmaker, he was one of the hottest things to come out of Sundance. Comes out with Term City Kings. 17:03 Really, it took, it was a tour de force that he ended up getting, I, I think I can say this, like, every single IP you could imagine, whether it be like from Star Wars to Transformers to, like, whatever they may have been, like, he was, people were hearing takes from him and was in development on, like, everything. 17:22 Yep. Blue Beetle is a perfect example of a project that, like, could have been great, and I'm not saying that he didn't make a great movie. 17:30 I would argue that, like, when DC makes that, you, you say, "We wanna bring Blue Beetle to life. It'll be a great movie, and we're gonna market it to the Latinx community." So then in that moment, 17:44 you know, I guess the real question is, is it the community not showing up and supporting the film because they're not really interested, or is it that the distributors failed to market it in the right way? 17:58 It, it's a confluence of so many things. I agree, and it's, it's interesting though that you mention Blue Beetle being mart- marketed to the Latin community, uh, or the Hispanic community because I have actually seen 18:11 that superhero movies have been able to speak to so many different backgrounds and cultures, and I feel like superheroes have done so much. 18:20 So I actually have had an interesting thought while you were talking about this idea of fatigue. 18:26 And I actually think Marvel's done a dif- uh, like a decent job of taking obscure characters and IP like a Black Panther and making it a symbol- Yeah... of movement, of culture. 18:40 By the way, like, in front of the screen and behind the screen. You know, and they did a similar thing with, with Captain Marvel. And I, I do think when Iger talks about superhero fatigue, I do think it's just an excuse. 18:53 I think they have to blame it on something. 18:55 Uh, but I wonder if, if this idea of superhero versus gaming has to just do with the underlying IP and what has the biggest fan base, what are people most truly passionate about. And, you know, 19:13 comic books have been around for decades, and that's where we're getting this IP. 19:17 Video games are coming out all the time online, and I just wonder if a lot of why video games are now more popular is, one, uh, by factor of, of that's just the way the world is going with IP, and two, honestly, there's a lot of talent that is already moving to the gaming industry. 19:39 Yeah. Right? Um, actors are acting in the visuals and the storylines of the games. Uh, writers, like bonafide Hollywood screenwriters are writing- You could argue that's where the money is these days. That's true. 19:54 But that, that kind of backs up my point of the money is there because the attention is there. Yeah. 19:59 And so why not take that attention that's being put into interactive storylines, IP, and then turn it into stories that are, like, film and television? Do you feel that superhero movies will come back, 20:17 or will gaming based movies be on top? I think s- quote, unquote, "superhero movies" are never going to be gone. 20:24 The hero story is never going anywhere, and I think that whether you wanna call it a superhero, and it means that you're, you're in a leotard or whatever, whether you're Beowulf and you're fighting dragons and you're doing this sto- The hero's journey's not going anywhere. 20:39 It's interesting that you talk about the hero's journey, because the hero's journey is in comic books and it's in video games. Yes. 20:45 And so that's why I think this whole superhero fatigue, blah, blah, blah, gaming versus whatever, I think there's something deeper here that, that they're just looking for excuses, and honestly I just think they don't know. 20:57 Um, and I think it comes down to attention. There's just more attention being immersed in the hero's journey as opposed to reading the hero's journey. [upbeat jingle] Hey, we're Nick and Jack, hosts of The Best One Yet. 21:12 Behind every episode, there's research, emails, spreadsheets, and our shared Google Doc, The Headline Hammer. 21:17 With Google Workspace with Gemini, Google's AI is built right into the premium versions of tools we already use, like Gmail, Docs, and Sheets. No new tools or extra logins, just personalized AI for the way we work. 21:28 That means less time on the work around the work, and more time finding the stories worth talking about. Get AI tools for work. Upgrade to Google Workspace with Gemini at goo.gle/workspacewithgemini. 21:40 That's goo.gle/workspacewithgemini. [upbeat jingle] Let's talk about the next topic, uh, the New York Times versus AI. 21:49 So a couple weeks ago, I think it was over the holiday break, The New York Times entered into a legal battle with OpenAI. Man, they just can't catch a break. [laughs] Oh my God. 21:59 Um, they entered into a legal battle with OpenAI and Microsoft over the unauthorized usage of The Times journalism in the training of automated chatbots. 22:08 Uh, the lawsuit states that millions of New York Times articles were used to train the AI, and that the chatbots now compete with the news outlet as a source of reliable information. 22:18 This is actually really big, big, big news that has a lot of deep, profound implications to the future of AI, the businesses that are being built on top of AI. I'm very curious to see where it's all going. 22:33 Uh, and I think it's a little messy, you know? Like I, I, I think in the... I was reading it and, and looking at some things. 22:42 Some of the responses from OpenAI are literally word for word articles from The New York Times. So it's... I saw that and I was like, "Oh, maybe they actually have a case here." 22:54 Like, this is borderline, do we call it plagiarism, right? If you're not even citing the actual publication and, and media company. And so I th- I think this is gonna be big. I, I... Something's gonna happen. 23:08 Say the AI was to cite the source. If it cites the source and the source is available by way of the internet, is it infringement? So I think that's the key, and it's funny, I think you literally [laughs] 23:22 uh, wrapped up probably what would've been a 25-minute conversation- [laughs]... into two minutes, which is if they cite the source, is there an issue, right? 23:37 And I, I, I think that will help 100%, and, and that's actually some of what legal experts are talking about. 23:45 I think the other aspect of it, though, is the actual training of knowledge and understanding, and using that source material. Is that an issue? I think if you cite it, why would it be, right? 23:57 'Cause I, we can cite things ev- like, all day long. I think the model, training the model, I think is the big thing. 24:04 So one thing that comes to mind is, is there a world where these big AI companies will have to pay for the data that they use to train their chatbots? 24:15 And if so, I think that's gonna create a lot of disparity between the types of companies that can actually work in AI. You'd have to be heavily, heavily funded. 24:25 The other issue, though, is, and this is beyond just dealing with copywriting, is sometimes what the AI spits back out about the topic that was taken from New York Times is incorrect. And- Wait, really? Yeah. 24:42 And, and this is a deeper issue with sometimes AI spouting back incorrect information. 24:47 So what, it's making claims of citing the New York Times, but then the information itself is actually in- is in- is not correct or not what it said? 24:55 So, so basically there's a thing called AI hallucinations, and so this, the, the lawsuit actually highlights this as a potential to damaging to The Times brand. 25:04 And so the information is presented as accurate because it's coming from The New York Times, but then is skewed with other information from the AI. Oh, wow. Yeah. 25:15 And, and by the way, this issue is not just happening from New York Times. There's authors that are dealing with this as well. 25:23 So Sarah Silverman, John Grisham, they've also filed lawsuits due to AI ingesting their works for training purposes. Without compensation. 25:33 It's so interesting that, that they're not compensating, 'cause I definitely know that, like, you would think that they w- I don't know. I guess you can't set a precedent. Well, so 25:43 I think the answer's already out there in the ether. So this was from something else I had read. 25:48 But people, I think, are quick to forget that OpenAI actually just did a partnership recently with the Associated Press to license its news stories. 25:57 So, you know, they just did that proactively, and there's a world where this now might become mandatory, which kinda goes back to what I said about needing to have deep lined pockets c- [laughs] to, to license with, you know, a ton of media companies. 26:14 But I think that is probably going to be the answer. This seems like a money play. At the end of the day, they're like, "We wrote original work. Now you're training other entities based off of our work." 26:27 It's essentially free labor in a way. And I, I guess some journalism costs money, right? New York Times especially is subscription behind a paywall, but not... A lot of information is free. Should you have to pay for 26:41 free content? So to that end, one of the reasons why this is important for The New York Time is they pay journalists to write factual information. Yeah. So I think they're really worried about the damage to their brand. 26:57 But again, I think this is, this is a big moment in AI. It's funny because, you know, the strike, the, the writer strike, the SAG strike's over, and AI was a big portion of that. 27:09 But I've always said, I think this is, give it two, three years, they're striking again. Like, AI is fundamentally, like, we're gonna look back in 30, 40 years, and AI is basically like, it's like the printing press. 27:23 It's the, it's the industrial revolution. You're so right on that. You know? And it, it's just, it's not going to be over. 27:30 Like, I think, I think presidents will win presidencies based on their positions and stances, uh, with AI. 27:39 And I just think in regards to The New York Times and AI, it's the beginning of a huge conversation this 2024 of copyright law, trademark law, and how it intersects with AI. 27:56 And I don't, I don't, I'm not gonna pretend I have the answers, but I think it's gonna come down to citing and money. [upbeat sound] It's about that time, Chris. Oh. [laughs] What time is it? 28:08 [air horn honking] Hot Take Time. Hot Take Time. All right. So Hot Take Time is the moment in time where we talk and give our hot takes and predictions of what is going to happen in the future. 28:21 It can be a week from now, 24 hours from now, a decade from now. And we like to think about them, talk about them, challenge them, and see what might come true. So Chris. Boyé. I went first la- last time. Okay. 28:36 My hot take, I'm gonna piggyback off of our conversation on gaming or gaming movies versus superhero movies. I do think there is a gaming revolution happening. It's where the money is going. 28:51 It's where people are building IP from. It's where the attention is. I am predicting 28:59 that Disney is going to acquire a gaming company like an Ubisoft, Activision Blizzard, et cetera, in the same vein of how they acquired Marvel, Fox, Pixar. 29:15 It just makes sense, and they've proven that it's really hard for them to create new things in-house, and so they've done it by acquisition. 29:26 Now, I guess my prediction, it's not as cool and futuristic as yours, but what recently just got announced or was reminded to the, to the public, is that Mickey Mouse, or actually specifically Steamboat Willie, m- has moved into public domain. 29:43 And there's already been a significant amount of projects, specifically an NFT project, which actually is already, like, sold out, and each Steamboat Willie is going for about $600 per NFT project. Oh, interesting. 29:59 Which is already, you know, so interesting to say. Two, there's a video game that's actually being produced. They're making, like, a Doom-adjacent first-person shooter video game which is already in production. 30:16 W- I, I think will do very well. And then the horror movie that we were all talking about. I'm predicting 30:23 that Disney is going to witness over the course of the next year about $100 million in revenue will be generated by way of a- all of these projects in, in amalgamation 30:37 that they are not benefiting from, which will further enhance 30:42 my other prediction about Bitcoin and Ethereum NFT projects, or not NFT projects, but specifically the technology that channels NFT projects studios will probably finally get on board for so they can financially participate and protect their IP long term. 30:59 I think a lot of studios and, and companies will run into this, so good thoughts. Anyways, great day. Great day. First pod of 2024. More to come. We're really excited to be bringing this to you weekly. 31:12 It was an awesome time at the Future Forecast. Subscribe wherever you get podcasts. Rate and review, and we'll catch you next week. The Future Forecast is produced by Wheelhouse DNA for Acast. 31:24 Our executive producers are me, Boye Kolade, along with Fanny Baudry, Cassie Berman, and Leah Sutherland. Our audio producer is Kiara Noni. Our audio engineer is Matthew Blocka. Our editor is Nick Kursumi. 31:39 The podcast is hosted by yours truly, Boye Kolade, and Chris Sawtelle. Thanks for listening, and see you next time. [upbeat music] Hey, we're Nick and Jack, hosts of The Best One Yet. 31:52 Behind every episode, there's research, emails, spreadsheets, and our shared Google Doc, the Headline Hammer. 31:57 With Google Workspace with Gemini, Google's AI is built right into the premium versions of tools we already use, like Gmail, Docs, and Sheets. No new tools or extra logins, just personalized AI for the way we work. 32:08 That means less time on the work around the work, and more time finding the stories worth talking about. Get AI tools for work. Upgrade to Google Workspace with Gemini at goo.gle/workspacewithgemini. 32:20 That's goo.gle/workspacewithgemini. [upbeat music] This show is brought to you by The Future Party and Crossix Studios. Produced by Chris Sawtelle, Boye Kolade, and Paul York. 32:32 Special shout-out to our production team, Araceli Rubalcava, Max Goolen, Shannon Klein, and Eli Difior.
