Transcript 0:00 Hey, we're Nick and Jack, hosts of The Best One Yet. Behind every episode, there's research, emails, spreadsheets, and our shared Google Doc, the Headline Hammer. 0:07 With Google Workspace with Gemini, Google's AI is built right into the premium versions of tools we already use, like Gmail, Docs, and Sheets. No new tools or extra logins, just personalized AI for the way we work. 0:18 That means less time on the work around the work, and more time finding the stories worth talking about. Get AI tools for work. Upgrade to Google Workspace with Gemini at goo.gle/workspacewithgemini. 0:30 That's goo.gle/workspacewithgemini. Wheelhouse DNA. Hi, everyone, my name is Bolade Kolade. And I'm Chris Sawtelle. 0:44 And welcome to the Future Forecast, a podcast where we explore the intersection between business, technology, and entertainment. 0:50 If you don't know me, I'm the co-founder and president of The Future Party, which is a community-based media company for creative professionals. 0:57 We have a daily newsletter where we talk about culture and technology, and we also host a ton of different community events around the country. 1:03 And I'm the co-founder and CEO of Crosscheck Studios, a Gen Z media company built by Gen Z for Gen Z. 1:09 At The Future Party, we are so proud of the business and the community we've built, so we had the idea to create this show to dissect and explain some of our most interesting stories. Today, we're looking ahead. 1:19 We're gonna talk about Disney's behind-the-scenes drama, a new game-changing streaming service, and what Jay-Z's acceptance speech at the Grammy's means moving forward. But first, let's catch up. 1:31 [laughs] There's a lot of drama. What are you smirking about? I just thi- I just think there's a lot of drama this week. There's a lot of drama. Uh, yeah. I, I mean, I, I'm not saying I don't like it. 1:43 I'm saying I'm, I'm intrigued to discuss it and learn more and hear some takes on what we think it all means. Well, before we get into that, w- we're, you're in, uh, Vegas right now for the Bowl? 1:55 The drama, Chris has lost all of his money- [laughs]... betting and gambling all of his wages. How is it out there? What, what's it, what's it feel like? Cold. Is it? Cold. Uh, yeah, actually same weather as, uh, as LA. 2:08 Truly, like, we did not escape, raining, the whole thing. Uh, what about the, like, the football scene? What's, what's going on out there? It's starting to pick up now. 2:16 It started, uh, Monday and Tuesday you can start seeing them closing off the, uh, the streets, figuring out the traffic flow, how it's gonna all work out. 2:26 It's still quiet-ish, but man, uh, Thursday, Friday, it's gonna be insane. Big? You got some parties on your- Oh, yeah... on your radar? It's already packed. 2:37 The amount of parties that are locked and loaded both on Friday and Saturday, like, like the, like the ones that are really competing with one another- Mm-hmm... is insane. 2:47 To, to see the party list and just go, "What is going on?" Dude, you got a packed weekend. That sounds really fun. I will be- You know, hopefully I can stay, stay up, you know? Yeah. Get some caffeine. 2:58 I will be chilling on my couch, uh, hanging out. Who are you rooting for? I don't really have, like, a huge horse in the race, really. 3:05 I would've loved to see the Ravens and Lions play, but you know, we'll still have fun. I'm just excited for the ads, though. [laughs] I mean, wow, I'm really, that, that's ri- that's what I wanna see. 3:13 I wanna see- Are you like Usher?... power pushing boundaries. Usher is who I'm watching, and just the halftime show. 3:18 [laughs] I think maybe I'm like, "Maybe Justin Bieber's gonna come out," and another hot take's gonna be right. Yeah. Little do you know, Justin Bieber was caught singing, that he performed recently just this last week. 3:29 I saw. He's warming up. Mm. He's warming up. He's warming up, baby. Yeah. That, that, that, that, that's what I'm saying. He's warming up. Cool. Be careful, Bolade. [laughs] Put it on the board. All right. 3:40 Well, let's get into, um, our first topic for the day. Uh- Let's do it... we're gonna, we're gonna talk about Disney board drama. So there's some tensions behind the scenes. 3:50 We've been hearing about it ever since, really, Iger stepped back into the scene. Right now it seems like there's some hostile takeover happening, especially in lieu of their 2024 shareholder meeting on April 3rd. 4:04 High level, there's three major players vying for control of Disney's board. So let's go through them. One, Disney, they already have 12 nominees for directors, tried and true Iger squad. 4:19 Then you have, uh, Nelson Peltz at Trian Partners. Uh, he has been jockeying for power over the last year. He really wants to shake up the board with himself and, uh, an ex-Disney CFO, Jay Rasulo, as directors. 4:36 And a new entrant is this group called Blackwells Capital. They actually support Bob Iger, which Nelson doesn't. With Blackwells' sort of play, they have three nominees that they wanna put forward. 4:50 So really, essentially, these three parties are fighting both privately and publicly for control, and it feels very Succession vibes. 5:00 It's actually quite hilarious, and it's gonna be interesting to see how everything shakes out, 'cause everyone has sort of their own agenda. 5:09 For example, Blackwells wants Disney to focus on, on VR, and this cool re- real estate play, and Nelson, actually, people have no idea what he really wants. Seems like he just wants to stick it to Bob. 5:20 But it, it's, it's really fascinating to see play out in real time. I can only imagine what it's like at a level that high when so much is at stake. It's like running for president. 5:32 You're like, "I'm the best, I'm the best person for... I'm the best person for the job, so, uh, move over and get outta here." Yeah, it's, it's interesting you say it's like running for president. 5:43 In, in ways it is, right? You know, I, I would argue to say Disney is still seen as sort of the epitome of, uh, Hollywood filmmaking, storytelling- Yeah... in a holistic, familial way. 6:00 And I, I think it's quite funny, 'cause Bo- After Bob Iger left Disney the first time, he- there were rumors of him actually running for president. 6:10 And I believe part of that's probably the understanding that when you're running a place like Disney, you get a taste of what it is to be king of the castle. 6:21 It feels like peop- let-- that these folks are running for the power of the heart of the entertainment industry. And I, I think there's blood in the water, regardless of where you stand and how you feel. 6:36 I think the fact that there are these different warring factions is, is just not good at all. It's like where there's smoke, there's fire. Why now? 6:48 Clearly, these people are wanting to take control because they feel something is not right. So the question is, how does the ship get righted, and how does it get righted quickly? I think it also highlights so much 7:02 of how does anything get done during that type of turmoil, right? If everyone is vying for control, most oftentimes no one wants the other side to get something completed, and so it just seems so counterintuitive. 7:19 Obviously, this is not a new story. 7:21 It's something that happens at any company or any business or even look at, look at our government, not to get political here on the show, but more to say that it's pretty astounding to see that we're even able to get anything done when people are always vying for control. 7:37 Yeah, I mean, I think it, it's, it's a hard task to manage your board and manage the company, but it's, it's being done. Iger is doing it. 7:46 I think he's doing it in part because he knows that he has to do things like cuts and really change the game in order to keep the board at bay. 7:55 But it-- you know, what's funny is Blackwells, one of the people jockeying for power, said in a letter to shareholders, "Disney may simply be too complex for any one successor." So 8:10 they actually support Iger as, as maybe being one of the only people at, at this current point in time that can manage all of these moving parts. 8:21 And so I don't envy anybody who might step in to manage because it's definitely really difficult. 8:28 I, I think what's also really funny, just so you, you know, part of, part of me is curious to know how much of this is really actually these people caring about the business versus ego. 8:42 For example, Nelson is actually decently tight with Elon Musk. 8:48 And Blackwells- Whoa...Blackwells calls this out, you know, and they say that Peltz essentially, per Blackwell, is seeming to focus his efforts on soliciting endorsements from Elon Musk, who, quote-unquote, "Doesn't own a single Disney share and is aggrieved at Disney for withholding advertising dollars from his struggling social media platform, AKA X." 9:10 And also, Elon just came out funding actress Gina Carano's lawsuit against Disney for firing her over comparing her political opinions to the persecution of the Jews in the Holocaust. 9:22 And so it feels like, like Elon might also be behind the scenes pulling the string. Like, it's not just like, "Oh, Disney's in trouble," but it's, "Maybe I want some revenge." 9:34 You mentioned ego, and I have to imagine that Bob Iger, his ego's gotta be a little bit beat up at this point, right? 9:42 I mean, you come out with a book, you're seen as the most revered, most astounding executive, you know, in the last ten years. 9:51 You were doing a victory lap coming out of the Even- The Avengers had already established itself as, like, the best franchise out. You, you, you'd made so many brilliant moves or what were perceived as fantastic moves. 10:03 You left. You were on your swan song. And then you come back, and it's just falling ap- what seems to be falling apart in front of you. It kinda resets time or history for his lineage, no? Yeah, I think it's funny. 10:18 Bob reminds me of the classic sports athlete or star who retires and then comes back, right- Yeah...and then has a mediocre season, and we're just like, "Why?" It's Tom Brady. Tom Brady, Brett Favre. 10:32 I think Jordan did it. It's like, why'd you even come back? Like, just chill, you know? Like, why tarnish your legacy? And I think this particular sit- situation is actually-- I feel a little bummed out for, for him. 10:47 Yeah. Uh, and look, we're still in the middle of it. He could turn it around, but he must be thinking, like, "What did I do?" Because he left it, as you were saying, at the top of the game. 10:59 In fact, he strategically left. I feel like he had insider information because he left right before COVID hit America. It was, like, in the rest of the world in China, and he left. So he left on top. 11:13 Didn't, didn't need to touch COVID, and he could've been revered as one of the greatest CEOs of all time in America. Couldn't let go, and came back, and now everything's in disarray. 11:25 By the way, the reality is the stuff Bob worked on is what's impacting this current moment. So I, I do believe Bob Iger is responsible for what is happening to Disney right now. That's a hot take. 11:43 Well, it's just fact. Now, the issue is if he would've left, it would've been Bob Chapek's fault. Yeah. But now that he's back, and the rope is clearly tied to him. 11:55 And I'm not, I'm not faulting him because he did do so much for the brand. Like Disney Plus, all the acquisitions, but it's the same moves that he did that are now sort of unraveling. 12:09 Those same acquisitions are, are unraveling in different capacities. Disney+ and streaming is struggling. 12:17 Not to say they were bad moves, but I think history is cyclical, and they were the right moves at the right time, and now we're kind of in the valley, and someone needs to take Disney to the next level. 12:31 But he could have been the individual to not have to deal with it and been seen as a great, whereas now he's kinda seen as the problem, in my opinion. So sad. Sad to see those things happen. 12:43 Always need a scapegoat, though, right? Always need someone to blame. [graphic blips] Well, let's talk about the next topic. 12:49 So, in the same vein, uh, of Disney, they're actually banding together with Warner Brothers Discovery and Fox, and they're launching a new streaming service to combine all of their sports programming under one umbrella, which is wild. 13:04 So it's going to have ESPN, TNT, and Fox Sports on a new standalone app with new branding, and speculation is that it's gonna cost 75 to $80 a month. Would you pay for that? 75 bucks? 13:19 I don't know if I'm the right person to ask necessarily, 'cause I'm... I traditionally, I haven't been, like, a huge sports person. I've only recently gotten into football. Right. 13:29 So I think that the question is, would the average person buy this? I think yes, because it's going to house basically most American sports under one roof. It's a really smart move at this time. Yeah. 13:46 The question is, if you're gonna rebrand it, what will that branding look like? Who controls that? My immediate thought is you have three, what it's... You said Warners, Fox, and Disney. 13:57 Who sits in the driver's seat, right? They're all three big. They're all gonna want ownership over the IP, if they already have it. But, like, someone has to be the driving force, so. 14:06 Well, this reminds me a lot of Hulu, when a bunch of the big sort of media conglomerates came together, and they're all gonna own this equally. 14:15 My assumption is they're just going to install a CEO and, you know, these, these entities now essentially become the board to the operating team who's operating the new streaming platform. 14:29 For the sports fanatic, I could see it being something utilized. 'Cause out in market you'll have NBC, this new entity, Amazon Prime, YouTube TV. There's a lot, you know. 14:43 There's Fubo, there's, um, NFL Pass, et cetera, et cetera. There's a lot of different platforms, but not everything 14:53 i- in my opinion, is going to wrap up all of these sports franchises, these teams, et cetera, under one roof. The amount of money having to be poured into that is going to be huge. 15:06 Not, not to, not, not to even to mention the marketing that they're gonna have to drive and the rebrand that's gonna have to push. Maybe I would buy it. Maybe I would use that. 15:16 So it's gonna have rights to the NFL, NBA, MLB, NHL, college football, NCAA March Madness basketball, FIFA World Cup, three out of four Grand Slam tennis events, UFC, Formula 1, and NASCAR. 15:33 I mean, what else are, are we missing? What else would anyone want? Depends on which games. It, it's very smart to say that you have access to those things, right? But 15:43 no different than, like, Amazon Prime getting Thursday Night Football. That first year, those Thursday night games were just absolute garbage. No one wanted to watch it. 15:54 Even though it got viewership, all the games that they received were not considered the Tier A games. 16:00 So you're watching games that people really don't really necessarily, quote-unquote, "care about," unless you're a super fan of the team that you're looking to support. Yeah, that makes sense. 16:09 I mean, this platform's expected to launch in the fall for a new NFL season, and I think I'm more interested, kind of rewinding, about what this says from an overarching perspective on the dynamics between all these conglomerates, right? 16:25 For example, Disney spends more on sports rights than Fox and Warner Brothers Discovery, yet each party owns an equal share. You know, Disney is also struggling with figuring out what to do with ESPN. 16:38 Does this complicate things? Does this make it a little bit more murky and muddy? Also not pictured, Paramount Global, NBC, you know, and Paramount Global is a potential acquisition target. 16:51 So there's all these really interesting dynamics at play, but at the end of the day, essentially this is a defense against big tech, right? 17:02 It is defense against the Amazons of the world, against Netflix spending 5 billion on TKO licensing. 17:11 I think these people are seeing the writing on the wall, and by coming together and creating this platform, I, I think that's sort of the defense, and I could see it being successful. 17:23 Like I said, they did it with Hulu, and Hulu's respected. You know, Hulu's a part of the streaming conversation. 17:29 Uh, if I can just add one more anecdote, I'd say I think what this really forecasts or continues to showcase is just how important live events are to media. I think 17:42 it is important more than ever, and it, it's the thing that's helping these streamers, and it's the thing that's still propping up cable. So 100%, live sports is the secret sauce of the entertainment media industries. 17:59 And so, uh, you know, my curiosity is going to be, does this turn into more than just a sports platform, and is this just the beginning? Hey, we're Nick and Jack, hosts of The Best One Yet. 18:15 Behind every episode, there's research, email, spreadsheets, and our shared Google Doc, The Headline Hammer. 18:21 With Google Workspace with Gemini, Google's AI is built right into the premium versions of tools we already use, like Gmail, Docs, and Sheets. No new tools or extra logins, just personalized AI for the way we work. 18:32 That means less time on the work around the work, and more time finding the stories worth talking about. Get AI tools for work. Upgrade to Google Workspace with Gemini at goo.gle/workspacewithgemini. 18:43 That's goo.gle/workspacewithgemini. So the 66th Grammy Awards, they took place last Sunday, and a- I'm gonna, I'm, I'm gonna, I'm gonna let you finish. 18:57 I'm gonna let you finish, Boye, but I just wanna say that you are teeing up this topic brilliantly. Thank you. Thank you. [laughs] I see what you did there. I see what you did there. Good work. Good work. 19:10 Anyways, a lot of media attention has been directed towards Taylor Swift winning Album of the Year, 19:16 and, you know, there were lots of winners and losers, but one moment that really stood out was Jay-Z's acceptance speech for his Dr. Dre Global Impact Award. 19:29 Um, it's an honor for Black music creators who have elevated the art form. 19:34 He brought up his daughter, Blue Ivy, and h- he spoke to the room, and in his speech, Jay-Z essentially called out the Recording Academy for continually snubbing Black artists. 19:49 And he talked about, you know, back in the day, how Will Smith and, and DJ Jazzy Jeff boycotted the awards. He boycotted the awards himself when he was nominated in 1998, uh, after DMX didn't receive any nominations. 20:05 And the most important thing is he pointed out that Beyoncé has more Grammys than anyone ever, but has never won Album of the Year. 20:17 And so, essentially, he feels that the math isn't mathing, as they say, and I think he's correct, and it's, uh, it's opened up a whole can of worms of how 20:30 the Recording Academy picks and, and judges the winners of the Grammys. That's hard, though, right? Not to play devil's advocate whatsoever. It's still politics, right? It's all popular opinion, so how does one convince 20:47 you to vote for your album or to vote for your movie without people liking you or being convinced, "Oh, I'm gonna vote for my friend," right? 20:58 I don't think that people vote always to say, "Oh, wow, that was the best album or best movie," 'cause it's still subs- subjective. It's still art, right? So, like, how can one prove it, unfortunately enough? 21:11 Yes, I agree that there is a level of subjectivity. The issue with the Recording Academy, however, is that we don't know who's actually voting. And so there is always a level of subjectivity when it comes to voting, 21:27 but voting that is fair takes an equal amount of representation so that the average of that subjectivity is seen and heard. And the issue is, we don't know the makeup of the people voting. 21:45 Is it 90% Hispanic or Caucasian or Black? And I think that's where the qualm likely comes from. It's not that Taylor Swift may have won four Albums of the Year and Beyoncé has not. 22:01 It's that we actually don't know who the person is deciding it, so we can't truly understand the decision-making. 22:08 'Cause the, the, um, the academy on the film side that decides the Oscars has gotten blowback over the years of their decisions, but at the end of the day, we know who's in it, we know the makeup, and people can determine if they want to change the makeup, if they want to hold the people accountable making those decisions. 22:31 When you reflect on it, it is pretty crazy to think when there's only a few individuals that sell tickets at, at a certain level, and that includes Taylor Swift, Kevin Hart, Jay-Z, 22:48 Beyoncé. To think that you're an act so vast and have made so many profound artistic pushes, both in live performance, but also to say, uh, man, we, we all listen to Lemonade. 23:06 It is pretty crazy to think that a musician of her caliber, an artist of her caliber, has not won. It's interesting at the same time when I think of, again, I'm gonna reference the acting world. There's huge actors that 23:23 haven't ever won, or, or it takes years and years to win, like, you know, think of Leo DiCaprio, right? And I'm not as surprised at it. I'm more curious, what's the solution? 23:37 How do f- people feel comfortable with the decisions being made so that if someone like Beyoncé doesn't win, they go, "Okay." Or what needs to change so that the consensus is really truly agreed and respected? 23:54 I'd be curious your thoughts if you feel, like, what happens from here? Does the Grammys do anything about it? 24:00 Do they just s- sit on their butts and twiddle their thumbs, or do you think that they're going to move towards a level of consensus so that it's not all of these artists like Drake- Like The Weeknd, you know, like Jay-Z, having issue with the very body that is there to celebrate them. 24:22 One, I don't think it'll change. Hot take, I would predict that they change it similarly to that, the same way in which the Oscars are talking about how do you celebrate big box office films, right? 24:34 Like, how do you reward Pirates of the Caribbean, a great theatrical feat, but not necessarily deemed movie of the year. I think what we're highlighting is this battle between what is seen as 24:49 pure art and what is seen as good business, right? Beck won 2014. I think Beck won, and, and Beyoncé was also nominated. That was a huge outcry. It was like, no one talked about Beck's album. Why is Beck relevant? 25:07 How is this happening? It was very odd. Mm-hmm. It definitely, it definitely I think it was, like, a random one, but I think what that does highlight is Beck is a profound musician. 25:16 It's d- that shouldn't take away from his own musical feats and what he's able to accomplish and what he's done for his artistry. It's just really highlighting, 25:27 in a way, who's influenced more pop culture, who's had more impact on the populace. It feels like it's just art versus commerce. That's one of the biggest sort of issues people have with these voting bodies 25:41 is these voting bodies don't always represent the general populace, right? It's not always a popularity contest, and I think that is 25:55 maybe a solution that, that could present itself, is, is truly explaining why certain things win over others. I do feel that the film world 26:11 is maybe a little bit better dialed in this capacity. Best director, best cinematographer, best picture. It's hard to really 26:24 disagree oftentimes with the reasons and the qualifications for the people who win those awards. 26:32 Don't get me wrong, it's competitive, and it can be nuanced to choose a film that has a particular style over another style in categories like best writing or best director, but it feels like the audience truly understands the qualifications to winning that award. 26:50 Whereas with music, and maybe this is because I'm not in this world as much, it feels a little bit nebulous. Like, best album. What makes the best album? Is it the producers? Is it, is it the sonic waves? 27:06 Is it the lyrics? Is it the overall way that it makes your body move? Is it how many people s- bought the album? So I, I don't know. 27:15 I feel like having a little bit more transparency as well in the decision-making process of what these people are looking for might help round this out because the biggest album of the year from, like, a monetary perspective may not win the best album for Grammys. 27:36 And, and whatever you think, whether you agree it should or not, I, I think that's always going to be an issue that people will have. [electronic trill] I think it's about that time. 27:48 [imitates siren] All the way from Vegas, Hot Take- Time. [imitates siren] Hot Take time. Chris. Brought to you by the sphere. [laughs] Brought to you by the sphere. Uh, so we got our hot takes. 28:03 I think you went first last week, so I'm gonna go first this week. Please. Um, I'm gonna riff, uh, my hot take off of the, uh, Disney drama with these, uh, with the board and, and everything going on. 28:19 I kinda mentioned earlier, I feel this is sort of, uh, a bigger thing, a bigger issue. I don't think it's just about these boards jockeying for control. 28:29 I believe it is a discontent with the nature of where Disney is at, and, uh, some people are likening this to around the time where when Michael Eisner was in the CEO position and there were lots of similar issues, and that's when Bob Iger came on the scene and became CEO. 28:51 So I am predicting that Bob is going to announce his successor soon, 28:58 or he's gonna step aside because I feel the pressure is going to be too much for him to sort of come out of this unscathed, and I believe it's going to be either Tom Staggs or Kevin Mayer. 29:13 Bob has brought back Staggs and Kevin, who are- Yeah... behind the scenes actually doing a lot for Disney, uh, as advisors, and I just think there's too much heat on Bob right now. 29:26 And look, I could be wrong, especially since Bob's in it, and he might need to, like... If he wants to keep that legacy intact, he might wanna be responsible for turning it around, 29:35 but I just think this one's hard to get out of. So that's my two cents. What's your hot take? 29:40 So time and time again, every episode we do, it r- we find a, the reoccurring theme is always on the future forecast, media is ever-changing. But now more than ever, the media landscape is really changing. 29:56 So with that, and knowing that the streaming platforms are experimenting more and more, I predict that we're gonna see more talent deals being all-encompassing, 30:08 so that if you do a deal with Netflix or if you do a deal with Amazon or if you do a deal with CBS or whatever- 30:16 If you're a talent that has audience, they're going to make you exclusive to their platform to help push their specific platform for users. Does that make sense? 30:28 It's almost like a 360, like what the labels do with, like, a 360 deal, right? When they- Yeah... they sign you, and they're like, "Okay, we get your merch. We get your, you know, NFT. We get all of these things." 30:42 So you're essentially saying these media companies and e-commerce companies are gonna do similar things? Yes. I would say I think the streamers are going to take this on. 30:53 Uh, now that we're in a battle for more subscribers- Yeah... 30:56 and re- subscriber retention, the incentive for it being 360 is because they're gonna want all of these talent that have these big followings to constantly put social media posts out to tune in, to check me out, and they're gonna use it not only for their own show, but for the collective of all the other shows that they have in their library or that are gonna be launched. 31:22 Yeah. That's a decent prediction. Well, Chris, it's about that time to end the show. No. No. See you later, listener. We're gonna miss you. Thanks for tuning in. 31:35 Uh, find us anywhere you can check out podcasts, Future Forecast. Like and subscribe, and we'll catch you next week. The Future Forecast is produced by Wheelhouse DNA for Acast. 31:46 Our executive producers are me, Boye Kolade, along with Fanny Baudry, Cassie Berman, and Leah Sutherland. Our audio producer is Kiara Anoni. Our audio engineer is Matthew Blocka. Our editor is Nick Kursumi. 32:00 The podcast is hosted by yours truly, Boye Kolade, and Chris Sawtelle. Thanks for listening, and see you next time. [upbeat music] Hey, we're Nick and Jack, hosts of The Best One Yet. 32:13 Behind every episode, there's research, emails, spreadsheets, and our shared Google Doc, The Headline Hammer. 32:18 With Google Workspace with Gemini, Google's AI is built right into the premium versions of tools we already use, like Gmail, Docs, and Sheets. No new tools or extra logins, just personalized AI for the way we work. 32:29 That means less time on the work around the work, and more time finding the stories worth talking about. Get AI tools for work. Upgrade to Google Workspace with Gemini at goo.gle/workspacewithgemini. 32:41 That's goo.gle/workspacewithgemini. [upbeat music] This show is brought to you by The Future Party and Crosstalk Studios. Produced by Chris Sawtelle, Boye Kolade, and Paul York. 32:53 Special shout-out to our production team, Araceli Rubalcava, Max Goolen, Shannon Klein, and Eli Tafur.
